第38 Work Abroad Interview with Security Engineer Myriam Italy Ireland

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welcome to this new episode of work and then abroad today we got our special guest that she’s from a security engineer field she has been in Ireland for a while and she will be speaking about her experience about living abroad working abroad and studying abroad so how are you doing meeting yet so maybe you start to tell a little bit about yourself okay so Miriam and I started I did the bachelor’s and master’s in computer science in Italy and and I used to think that if you work hard it doesn’t matter which university you are studying into and because as long as you work hard you’re gonna have the same level of knowledge as others and I realized later that I was wrong later when when I moved abroad okay okay so I kind of I wanted to to to study abroad ever since I was a teenager and live abroad as well because I’ve always been attracted by the cliffs and thus in the nature landscape in India in the UK and Ireland I say okay and so yeah and so I’ve always actually made sure that I was studying English in middle school we have made the school in Italy which is between the age of eleven and thirteen and then also in high school okay so when I went abroad later on I was facilitated by the fact I wasn’t afraid okay about language yeah even though it’s not stress requirement was I’ve seen I’m at late in Ireland people with all levels of English as long as they can do the job right they’re fine so you did University in Italy and then you decided to go abroad and use your English and instead of work so I was facilitated because I already had the English okay and it was for studying my PhD after the Masters and they wasn’t conscious effort I mean I wasn’t actively looking to go abroad it just happened because I was in a long-term relationship for nine years and so I kind of didn’t want to move I brought anymore I was alright but that not because I wanted to do a PhD and the PhD in my city for doing it in my city and my university I would have had to wait for a lot another a year okay cuz initially works that there are batches of PhD students if you miss the deadline for one button you graduate after that even though it’s in the same year you need to wait another a year yeah so I was working as a in a biotechnology CERN the central National Research Center and for biotechnology for three months waiting for the PhD and I saw again the ad for a PhD in Ireland in Galway that wasn’t the same topic as my master’s thesis okay so I thought I’m I’m I’m I must have lied like it’s the same topic I I really need to yeah everything was fine the same level I study hard on yourself yeah and it’s a VC and the Institute was good I’m relevant for the topic I did the master thesis on so I applied I interview was it tough to apply I will live the application Jesus and CV and then the interview was via Skype I think the time it was only one interview with my supervisor can I got the position okay how do you feel doing the interview in English oh well there again because I always thought I wanted to live abroad in my middle school and high school my life loving this was all right okay and because I studied computer science and 90% of whatever material I found online I was finding online it was always in English yeah okay no okay so you apply to the deep PhD and then you got our letter back from them yeah god I said that exactly and then it was time to move to Ireland yeah so how was that transition for you yeah well first of all let me add it wasn’t a problem for me but maybe it was a problem for the person I was speaking to because my English was fine win for me okay but not for people who were listening to me so that’s that means that also that they knew where you were saying and the other person interviewing me was French and his level of English was also not great okay so moving out yeah that was traumatic okay on what date was traumatic to you talk before coming or after coming here No so before county there was a lot of ask at one point I was almost going to refuse oh sorry but then yeah because of my relationship okay but at one point because there was no point no way in which my boyfriend ex-boyfriend yeah yeah could have come over okay because he was studying there and stuff yeah so but then I ask myself what is the choice that I would really regret the least mm-hmm and that was to leave to leave I mean if I hadn’t laughter I would have regretted it I would have always thought whatever was happening later on in my life something was going not great or bad and I would have always thought oh if I had gone yeah yeah yeah true I remember from when I was applying to the Japanese scholarship the the people well I didn’t I was not in a relationship so it was easy to me I want to say invite family that is hard enough but is still family they know that you are pursuing your dreams but I remember some people were saying well I I was in a relationship I have to start with my my partner or my close one and talk through the whole issue like going to Japan or being doing every long relationship whatever it is even yeah yeah what what advice could you provide to the people who maybe someone is listening to this is thinking about going and we are just covering the the debate from studying what advice could you do to those people that maybe they’re in the same position in a relationship they’re looking to the PhD or maybe a scholarship but it’s going to be the best thing in their life and and they might be listening to this what what advice could you say to them so there’s different situations you could be married or not you could have children or not or you could just have a relationship and it could be from for a long time or maybe for a short time but is still relevant for you the one thing is that it’s important that you’re happy and satisfied with your life and with yourself and another thing is that if part of this happiness is the fact that the other person actually you know cares for you then the fact that you’re leaving is also a proof for this okay because for instance my funny if you think about because like it lasted nine years he was so relevant important yeah but then it was broken after only less than a month that I was abroad okay you can see that luckily we didn’t get married I left yeah yeah it seems like maybe you just get used to the relationship but there’s problems you kind of see your stuff yeah so it’s actually a good proof a good okay say yes Islands that if it is not stressed too much it could actually improve the relationship there in the belief your belief in the related okay but in general it’s what makes you happy and if you’re not happy even your children if your children aren’t happy your partner isn’t happy so if your career MERIS and that is it usually going abroad is a staff that is matters a lot for your career that’s for sure so let’s see you came to Ireland you were going to do the PhD and then you at some point well while you were to the PhD the PhD is hard enough because you have to prove to the community that you’re going to do some improvements and some results like real results so how how the do you cope with is being doing the PhD being in international environment communicating only in English and well the holiday the the pressure from the PhD right so I came to Ireland also another thing is that I didn’t know anybody here and other people sometimes to go abroad and they already know others so but the thing is that there are so many people when you grow abroad that are in the same situation as yourself so we created some sort of code my – somehow it turns to group or people with similar culture and usually Latino Americans and Mediterranean like yeah European yeah like Italy I’m Italian I find very much in common with Irish people as well and yeah yeah Brazil Costa Rica so that make that they’ll help you to go through those years you think it did because I can there were parties organized at the time and it was always open to all the new people okay there was a lot of movement people coming and going between research assistants and PhD students in the Institute so was a lot like that so I I will just go I’ll do fast-forward so you were you did your PhD you managed your your skills and you were trying to find the me what do you need it for for the your PhD you were saying that you thought it was good enough to study hard it doesn’t matter the university yeah so this changed when you were here exactly oh yeah because I noticed that when I rent here many things so first of all initially there’s by law you cannot start your PhD if you haven’t finished your master okay what in Ireland you can choose either to do the master or to do the VST and also in Ireland the university starts much earlier I think two or three years earlier so I was starting my PhD and there were people starting their PhD they were like five years younger than me okay just because Inanna is a different system set up and also I noticed the others from other universities that had already I submitted publications so in PSD environments academia you publish papers and during their masters during their studies the university that are good somehow support students to publish well I did maybe interesting work in my exams but they were never published in any paper maybe the research assistants were publishing with my work but not yeah and that matters on your CV perhaps it matters even if you want to go into the industry and not in academia and you got to the end your view of your PhD how long did it last I have four years four years so you were around four years here in Ireland and it was time to decide well am I going back home or I’m staying in Ireland and finding a job how or how do you then how do you know this decision so going back home was never a question ever no because I’m very happy you were happy nice yeah and before yeah a few times I thought of going to Germany because I liked it a lot and the German language enough but going back to my city in Italy was never an option for me I never thought about it because oh the culture first of all it’s not here and the job like even before coming here I had the job hm-hm and when you find a job over there even if it doesn’t pay you as much as here you somehow the cost of life is lower Porsche at the same time I the city itself the the do you entertainment that I got here you know yes there’s events cultural events or natural landscapes tours whenever I have free time my free time is so much more enjoyable when I’m here okay so you decided to stay and it was time to get a job so how do you do it and what recommendation do we provide to people that could be looking for a job in Ireland yes okay so no it’s much easier with LinkedIn okay I say he done when I first moved to Ireland I mean Nick Tina was already a thing but was last used so on LinkedIn there’s passive recruiters and you what you what you should do is probably make a search on LinkedIn and find out the recruiters that are specialized in the area that you’re interested in and then contact them send them your CV or submitted the CV on those websites that are I think there’s one called in indeed.com or jobs dot ie there’s specific doctor Yi is specific for Ireland so if you want to go to another country there’s must be other as well said and they would contact you when there’s a job that somehow applies to your CV matches your CV did you find a difference when you were doing interviews for when you were doing job hunting here in Ireland do you find it different that when you were doing that in in Italy yes initially there’s at that time there wasn’t that concept of recruitment recruiter you know the recruiter that contacts you I I am myself and Leo I am sure and I’m sure everyone in in in the company gets contacted every week by at least one or two oh yeah every month maybe fights yes everyone yeah daily yeah yeah and that’s because there’s so much as I’ve been Ireland so it depends on where you live if you don’t live in Ireland they’re never gonna consider you even if your CV matches mm-hmm so it actually I have heard people whose the amount of contest from recruiters has increased so much just one is just when they move to iron okay they physically they come to Ireland turn to do the job hunting yes okay somehow I don’t know it’s because of the filter search they use yeah that was for me the triggered like when I came and then I found out that it was all much different when you actually are here and you said to the guys now I’m here I’m looking for decent ease and things and they take on they actually the they called you and then say okay come and meet me or just to ask art and you are in the country and they can say come to the office but they said okay let’s do a Skype but you are here so they kind of feel like okay you did the first step that it was coming here yeah perhaps I don’t know how it works in their head or in their process but that’s it yeah and I’m and when you were doing the interview do you find some kind of cultural shock about how to do the interviews or when you started to do work here in your office in the environment did you find a difference between being in the lab and at university or being in vitaliy oh yeah yes immediately I’ve only worked for three months so yeah but there is definitely difference yeah so I can say from experience of my friends work in Italy and even being big companies like I have friends working in Nam was working IBM and Microsoft has been in Rome and IBM in Milan and there is difference working I start so many difference so let’s say people have said okay you go ahead yeah yeah some people say it like come I can set anything and they will don’t take it personal or some people have said like well actually I should be careful what I say because maybe I come to a strong into them and so how do you feel about the cancer okay yeah so that not so much coming from easily but the main thing that everybody so you know as well everybody repeats it is that Irish people are not that straightforward so sometimes if you want to have a feedback and even a constructive feedback it needs to be sometimes harsh but I do that it’s always trying to avoid the direct confrontation they’re never confrontation mm-hmm I something I really like okay although sometimes you would like to get some feedback we just need to adapt to it and try to find a way to get feedback in a different way but there’s me talking about the difference between academia and the industry and Italy industry and Irish in industry are Irish America is nothing so one thing is especially in American companies that are here like the ones in which we work yeah there’s so much support for employees so are so much benefits for employees yeah cuz of the competition yep they want to keep you here it’s important for them to keep you here in Italy they treat you quite badly as an employee it’s very bureaucratic very formal environment this corruption I don’t want to know yeah so let’s say someone is actually thinking about coming English is fine for them and then they are looking into offers salaries benefits that know you were mentioned and we saw another episode we are talking about how to negotiate right like can you provide some advice about this can you negotiate a salary or not or benefits or disdain I think that you will think if you meet Mirian from 10 years ago and now a new coming from for for a job when you dude something different yes well I don’t know I don’t regret but I can definitely give some justice yeah so at the first time when I was moving from academia into the industry and there’s this idea especially if some of the audience is in academia I can be young people okay I’ll just be direct right yeah I’m not talking about anybody all right so in tend to leave academia people tend to live a bit inaudible in which they’re very important so they tend to think that because they have a PhD they can go into management directly senior managers or team leaders and it’s not like that you are stuck when you move into the industry and unless you find a job that is exactly in research exactly on what you were doing before then you’re gonna start as if you just finished your master’s degree okay just like you know I I started with the title of security engineer but when I moved to the LA compania was a senior associate and the lowest is associate so I was a little bit a little job yeah because also because he was in security so I I was in machine learning in my PhD and it’s after development I moved into security so one important thing that you will say it is to adjust your expectatives about yes what will you get because when I decrease day so yeah and in fact I accepted my first salary that was quite low I mean was entry-level salary mm-hmm I don’t know if I could have negotiated that I think it was good enough and it was good because of the move of field that I did as well into security it was also a good thing that I started in a start-up because startups are more open and you get to do more on different levels because they need to cover different areas and it’s easier other other big companies would always require you to have a broad experience in security if you just jumped into the video and stuff so startups are a good entry level ok entry point yeah I am cured in Ireland there’s a plant in Ireland that’s the other thing like in Italy there wouldn’t be at all ok there’s so much bureaucracy to spin up a startup that there’s not enough your masters ok and is there any last advice that you could provide to the to the audience about moving abroad and working or learning right I would definitely recommend to everyone because like I’ve been here eight years almost nine but even after four years I had learned more than I would have learned in the last in the previous 15 years of my life because you need to be independent returning independence because you live in your own house it’s not just that it’s also managing your time on Yuma and a lot of built-up internally that you need to go through in order to cope to be to not know in anybody you know that lack of net that you have it’s nice to have F but it’s also a very good internal growth when you don’t have it mm-hmm that happens yeah so even if just for a few months it’s not for everyone people might prefer to live in their city in their word that bore fine but definitely try for someone’s or something I highly recommend it as well thank you so much if someone wants to contact you is there a way to do it so it’s I am yr @ gmail.com great and for me it will be Leonardo da Martin at p.m. dot M D thank you so much thank you okay bye Bank

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