第37 Work Abroad Interview with Business Analyst Sean Ireland America

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welcome to this new episode of work on net abroad today we have Sean he has worked the US and he’s from Ireland originally and please let us know if you got any questions after this show where to any of the previous episodes or this one and welcome Sean how are you doing I’m very well thanks for having me great very honoured great to have uni in the show so if you we can start by talking a little bit about yourself sure yeah my name is Sean and I’m born and raised in Ireland and I’m 34 this year oh no way I I have a wife and two kids no I lived worked abroad in the u.s. mostly I have been to a lot of other countries I’ve done a bit of work in other countries but mostly my experience would be living and working in the US and what was your primary idea about going abroad oh and what time you would need this idea started to be in the bring your mind okay so my primary motivation was when I was in college and I done jae-won every year my summer I worked in summer camps yeah maybe but for the people that doesn’t know about that what what do you mean no what does it mean g1 o j1 yeah a j1 is a summer exchange program for students okay great so you get to go and spend three months in the US and work and live and party okay I mean when you’re in college yeah you don’t have much money in college yeah did you have one experience you get somebody to pay for your ticket and stuff and you’ve woven your person yeah okay and then you do the work for them and then at the end of the summer you get like four five weeks to travel okay so I I did that every summer but I walked in the same place every summer okay so you started out the the ones that you got it – I’ll let you find out about jae-won and then you just applied and in that satellite to true a company and they got me a job in a summer camp so the first year a date on everything for me organized everything for me my flight my accommodation my job everything but then once I was there and I walked the fourth summer there I worked as a soccer coach okay and this is your first time I brought my horse I brought this is in 2004 five okay oh sorry it would be the summer 2005 now how do you feel about going abroad I was excited IIIi mean I’ve been abroad I put my parents and holidays but never on my own as a cultural work experience okay so I was very excited on my own I was 19 yeah okay oh nice yeah I was ready to take his prior the world or the world and you pack your stuff and then you got your tickets and yeah so that way you don’t buy your company and that was my first year I went and I worked in this summer camp it was in New Hampshire okay in the middle of a forest okay and it was a great experience no Wi-Fi no mobiles nice nothing yeah you just with nature and it was beautiful and I loved it so then once I done that that first year the next three years when I was doing my undergrad on my post-grad and I spent the summers in the same summer camp but I organized it myself okay I organized my own jae-won which is type of visa yep I don’t know if that was clear a type of visa on my own flight and they had my accommodation and food and stuff and then when I was over every year I traveled to different parts of the US mm-hmm at the end of my summer of working I traveled to different areas and experience different areas for my last four or five weeks to travel when I tamed all my money and I travel in different parts of the US okay so while you were there the only thing that you were doing was some food I was yeah yeah a summer camp okay so I was I was I was head of the soccer program for I imagine that one the first time that you did it and then the following times was easier because we weren’t there before but uh how was that first time getting into a new country and trying to sort things out I mean the administration beforehand can be a little daunting where you have to go to the embassy you have to explain to the embassy you know the u.s. embassy that you’re going for this reason you’d be returning to your own country you know and that can be a bit daunting if you’ve never done it before so and that was that was a little bit darling but then you get your flights and once you know where you’re going but even if you don’t know where you’re going that can be part of the fun yeah because I mean III know I can talk about working in the summer camps on those summers and after the first year I knew where I was going I knew what I was doing but the the best part was at the end of the summer I didn’t really have a plan I just had a region of the u.s. that I didn’t want to go to and just explore and I just take a flight there and I just spend my time there and travel around on my own and not know where I was going and so do you have any kind of a cultural shock even though English was your your native language then going to the States you do you have any kind of cultural shock or and yeah I mean like it’s so much more pent up it’s such a bigger such a bigger country and people are people are a lot more open to talking to you okay compared to iOS people there will be a lot more yeah you we talked about Ireland being friendly and we have friendly if people talk to us was there any but I find American people to be very they just approaching okay like a good example was I was on a train from Washington DC to somewhere in Florida I forget I forget where I was going this is this is 15 years ago and I had my earphones in I was just listen to some music and this guy just started talking to me about his life story oh he I didn’t know he didn’t introduce himself yeah I started talking to me and then I had to take my earphones out of my ear I just say are you talking to me and he was like oh yeah I was like oh okay and then it ended up I had a conversation with this guy for an hour Wow and I know and he told me about it is divorced from his wife and all these intricate details I like okay so in Ireland you would never experience that people just wouldn’t randomly talk to you on a train so I find out a little bit I was like oh okay this is this is different because it’s not in Ireland people are a bit more but probably closed off yeah now closed off if you speak if you strike up a conversation with somebody there and they’re very friendly yeah yeah but they just don’t openly Barney a conversation about your personal life yes yeah so offended doubt doubt I find a little bit strange okay that was the one thing that I found that did sort of spark to me that I thought was a little bit strange and you said that you did it a couple of times so why did you once that you were there so coming the next time was not going to add that much growth or data delete add growth and so the first year I can it was everything you to us and I was a bit I suppose hesitant a little bit scared after and finished but where I was gonna travel and what I was gonna do because I was only 19 and you know I was over there on my own I didn’t go with a group of friends because I know a lot of people go on jayonce and they go little big group of friends to say it might be someone at San Diego or New York yeah but I went to the middle of nowhere yeah in New Hampshire and again afterwards I was like okay with what am I gonna do and I sort of planned it out but when exactly how I was gonna spend my weeks after the camp but then the ii toured for time i was like i’m not bothered I’ll just do I’ll just go and see what I want and if it takes my fancy I go there if I don’t want to go there I won’t go there and it was a bit more relaxed about it and because I done it the year before I was more relaxed oh I know I knew that I could do it yeah yeah I knew this oh well it’s an english-speaking country it’s fine they would be fine yeah it’s finally over so I like that’s why I think maybe it it set me up a little bit better in that I went to an english-speaking country mmm-hmm I think I was in if it was in a Conchie didn’t speaking it might be a little bit more over well yeah but it was fine yeah so after I don’t know and then my main motivation for moving there for a period of time why is that and I hand it in this is offices of interest to people that are listening I handed in my thesis mm-hmm for my for my master’s degree okay I handed it in on I don’t know the exact dates I could probably google it but the dates where and around about would say the 15 to September 2000 s mm-hmm probably on about two days later the bank guarantee from the Irish government was put in place so essentially there was a banking collapse in Ireland I had a the crisis the meltdown Christ that’s when the recession happened so I I handed in my master’s thesis and two days later the banking crisis happened in a recession hit yeah and then who needs somebody with a master’s degree in graphic information systems ya know I can tell you here and there not a lot of people yeah not a lot of companies yeah we’re employing and I was part of a cohort like I came from my graduating class there was 25 people in my graduating class only one got a job yeah ten ten emigrated and maybe about the other 10 or 12 probably went on to do for other studies I think 10 or 12 of them went on to do teaching to become teachers because I think they saying that is it okay in a year and a half’s time there’s still need teachers you know even recession last is it safe way to to be at the moment yeah so they went from having a master’s degree in information systems to going on to do teaching so you were third and the crisis was in the middle everything was limit the brothers lemon Brothers were the cops in the world was cloudy today Freddie Mac yes all of us what’s happening I remember I was on in the UK at the moment and so how did you approach a moment because you were thinking okay let’s I need to do something people are going abroad people are staying yes what what’s your method is about something this time so I went true like everything in my mind about what I wanted to do and I talked back to well you know I worked in the States Jeremy you know my college years next summer at work so this is September and I said okay I spend a year and I actually had to move home with my parents okay yeah I said okay maybe I spend a year trying to apply for funding for a PhD and my parents said okay we let you take on with that but in the meantime try and look at other opportunities and see what you want to do or where you want to go or how do you want to do is so I spent some time trying to get some funding for a PhD and the only funding that was coming up that would have been possible was something that I didn’t maybe want to do it was to do a PhD it was in geography on the EU and participation and being in and I was probably very relevant now with practice yeah I’ve been quite relevant but I didn’t want to do that was kind of boring but it was really opportunity that might have fought my way and I said okay I’m not gonna do that I don’t want to do that okay and how many months or days has passed okay so this happens in September so this was probably now around because funding for most PhDs comes becomes available between November and January February so that you get the funding and then you start the next year yeah the following September yeah so this is probably around Christmas time okay close in New Year’s okay uh booty so at the time or were you I mean I was I was just off 200 and I spent six months writing my master’s thesis and then I was kind of okay with being at home and being no responsibility my parents were okay yeah but I mean it’s not like I wasn’t doing anything I was getting up every day yeah I was getting working on a PhD application which if you’ve never tried it it’s really annoying and really hard right yeah because you have to do all the funding and you write all your proposal it’s so I was doing that I was keeping myself active mind active and I was also looking for probably some maybe some part-time jobs around my area but there wasn’t very much rolling but I said did some work like I had friends that worked in like landscaping and building and if they needed somebody to help murder a little bit of laboring I was doing that I was happened to most but yeah that was my focus then it was after Christmas that I decided okay I think I’m going to try and move abroad okay so so what did you – I said to me is emotion in that with my soccer coaching when I was in the States for the summer camp I’d met some people and they had links to a soccer club in the States I’m not gonna mention the soccer club yeah and and they had links to it to say okay they might have a coaching opportunity yep for you to go over okay and I said okay well so IIIi I applied and I put myself forward and I have with the equivalent I have my UFA youth sir okay which is the that’s the coaching badge just below getting your okay your UF Abby because it goes on your different levels my I’m do you if you dare to I can coach up to under-18s okay I kind of coached men’s teams that see where for bu yeah and then so well you got a certificate so vacation something like I just don’t know because I was interested in I played a lot of soccer I was interested in it so I’ve done that and they were happy that that was a good qualification and I said okay I’ll take the opportunity and when I brought and I went abroad in April what’s different than doing just the summertime yeah it was it was a big because I was obviously getting sponsors yeah I was a it’s a two-year visa okay I forget the name of the visa do you have to do more stuff because when you’re doing the summer day you get out everything sorted right so it’s I imagine I mean you can tell me now like it going it’s going to be different it’s it it’s a lot different and you have to prove you have to you have to prove the yoga room for the exact job you have the sponsorship that everything’s in order it was a kind of easier in a way you have that because type of easier again yep that it’s very hard for you to illegally go there yeah and their embassy is a little bit more like all you get in this visa that’s okay okay we sent you off they don’t ask you an awful lot of questions yeah so you you get to the states and you’ve been there you get your flat sorter and then you start to go to work and you were going to be there for two years so what’s your plan what’s going on inside your main salon at this time so what’s going on my mind is I want to try and maybe build a career and maybe say okay well I give it two years or maybe if circumstances apply you know I stay and maybe I might make a life for myself here and so I get there and my job entails it’s well the fourth part of it was coaching soccer coaching given that’s also where I learned a lot of what I do know based on Pierrot mm-hmm I learned a bit of it day up and then I start to have a multi-faceted job where I’m coaching but I’m also doing a heavy administration for the club okay because they’re seniors because a lot of people that they have worked for them in terms of being coaches yeah ten just to have coaching qualifications yeah yeah so they said well okay we’ve got a we’ve got we’ve got a management program you want to work on a management program and I thought was a management of yeah my manager yeah no but it’s not it was more administration okay management more management yeah so in terms of like running a like a payroll running area is that after how long were being in the state probably offer about four or five months okay and how do you feel like you feel all this more will be more money right but at the same time we’re learning some scales but at the same time you are doing like different parts of the club were in different areas of this state so what I can down to then I was given a company car and I had two drives at these different areas and along with my coach and I’d have to call these areas and they do sound administrates and tasks and then all feeding into the center Club okay because III don’t know if you know how it works in the States neither like they all have like I playing clubs that feed into it like a local club who then feed into the sort of regional club and then feed into the bigger club okay but it’s all appeared okay about your time in clubs you’ve got your time football you’ve got your reason for all these different things you need to grow you need to cover like a beak area we get all two doors closed well again I was a Boston so let’s just put it out there I was in Boston I had the south shore everybody knows sort of Boston that’s like so right in this area and Cape Cod okay like how long you were be like 200 kilometers around oh I’d say from Boston to Cape Cod it’s just Google too quickly so we’re just taken that way and in do you do you feel growing and it’s definitely much it’s 70 miles from Boston the Quiroz okay so and probably so Holden forty miles roundtrip but that’s not taken in all the areas all right now the South Shore can is quite big it can’t go some Boston to Rhode Island yeah yeah I don’t know it’s like that area there yeah it’s a bigger guy yeah it’s a big area you got some folks there so I would have to and drive around all these areas I’m doing abouts circa in my car probably about twelve hundred miles per week driving do you feel growing like the hopper how long did you do this and were you feeling growing being abroad by doing all this stuff even though things were you we might be thinking this is 2009 so stop yeah crisis is still oh and it’s art shaky so there’s no opportunity still in Ireland so I was like going okay I got to keep doing this because I’m going back tire if I go back to him go back to nothing again mm-hmm so I got to keep with it and to be honest Leo III didn’t like it okay I began to resent this yeah yeah and yeah it doesn’t have to build on you yeah yeah I think like like this I didn’t think that does I miss my family much yeah because I didn’t get an offer on a time off yeah you don’t get a lot of time off because that’s just the regulations in the US it’s like ten days holidays yeah yeah and that began to grind I mean I was like and what really was one of the sort of the stepping stones or one of the tipping points sorry was that I wanted to go somewhere for three days mm-hmm and Evie ludus they said I couldn’t go the club said I couldn’t go because these tryouts were on I had to be there and I was like well I need I want to be at this place yeah I want to be there I need to be there I need a holiday undefeated and that was around July no it must have been it must have been me 11 already to 11 yeah pretty much was a year and a half of the same thing just stop to enjoy being abroad and you stopped did you enjoy the board’s job or will you start stopped enjoying being abroad and far away from home I am I stopped enjoying a job and I the people I was dealing with I began to resent them but I think that might have been as a as an extra based on yeah my resentment for the work yeah yeah so began to resent you were not fit in you’re like this is your path yeah no it that’s really kept it I was like oh like I’m not gonna be happy here yeah I’m not going to get a knife that I enjoy here and then I tried to look up a Babette many moved roles in the States and when you’re there on a certain type of visa it’s very hard you have to come home first you have to come home force I’m thinking and then I was like if I’m gonna come home I’m gonna come home and I’m gonna be done with it like so again I don’t know if this like this podcast is of talking about whether people you know enjoyed their time abroad or if the here people just shared a story and so it says to be honest my story would be this I I look back on it and I don’t have a lot of fun memories okay I don’t really and you know I I don’t know if it’s related to the job I was doing or to the think always grain to me is the amount of hours I was driving so the I was driving were never really taken part as part of your job yep so that wasn’t your hours worked for the way yeah but if you drive 1,200 miles think of how long it takes to drive with 1,200 miles in one week and then they would expect you to be working Saturdays and Sundays as well it was pretty much it was seven days a week six and a half days a week Charlotte don’t aim let’s see it was okay for for the so internship or for summer I was fine it’s a good experience you were having fun enjoying the country right because it was not related to your professional growth now that when you were facing like a hard time and then you were gonna doing it for our other reasons right yes and things start to become not what you wanted as your career wise right yes so what advice can you provide to the people who might be in a situation like you and where well I mean I hope you might be in a situation where you have some family because the first thing that I did when I began to feel the tipping point for me Leo was I was driving on my car one day and I was so tired and so stressed out that and it was about it was lucky it was the time of day that it was it was like a five six in the morning because I had to be some more for 7 a.m. correct direct driving and I drove through a crossing yeah didn’t see a stop sign and drove right to a crossing and didn’t get hit toward thankfully yeah and then once I got through the crossing I break him and holy yeah I could have been killed there yeah and it was just because I was in such a I was in such a mind-blower yeah there’s it was all phasing into on and at that stage then after that day I was it was like it was a I see at the end of that day that I escaped my parents and I’m not gonna say I broke down but that’s what I sorta admitted to them this now yeah this is not working this isn’t working for me like I can’t do it like I’m not going to do a long tail mm-hm and it’s it’s making me very unhappy I can’t just do it just because there’s no work at home and I can’t just do it just because it’s something to do yeah I said I can’t do it anymore no my parents are very very very supportive and they so I write i Skyped them and I spoke to them and they said come home don’t don’t don’t hang around yeah because it’s not gonna do you any good and it’s not going to your mental health any good come home because at least down at home you’ve got support you’ve got a support network that you don’t have abroad when you’re out abroad you can be very much it’s very much insider’ because if you go abroad I would say even a girlfriend or group of friends or and you’re on your own it’s very hard like I mean I’m mid I met some goofy people are limited yeah yeah but it’s not saying it’s not the same it’s not the same it’s not the same and you you want to be able to speak to people openly and it can be very hard and so and then once that you came back Sean like well you you got your ideas on if I came back in July 2000 and how do you feel when you came back uh relieved it was very it was a big big relief it was very very much was it tough to get back into your faith and getting a job was not that that’s I guess probably not are you were thinking where we coming back I came home in July I think it was the week of stay in the States for independence weekend independence weekend and because I I went straight away and I I resigned straight away and this urge to resign your visas no avoid ten days three four country yeah so man so I was like okay I’ll be on the country boy I want to stay for independence so I stayed for independence weekend and it was great craic and then I went I went home and I feel and it was a relief I got home and I was just relieved to be at home and so I think that was around them at the 10th or 11th of July and then I torned 20th of August I turned 26 okay 26 yep I turned 26 and I was I I already had a job in Dublin again okay so it wasn’t that bad thank you but it wasn’t anything related to my field of work it was I I took a job as a teacher okay coaching soccer yeah okay I bet when you were feeling different even the room was not the it was a relief I was happy just do it because I wanted to get out of my parents house yes quick as possible yeah because I’ve been used to that little bit of independence and get back to Dublin so I got a job house in Dublin and it’s sort of that was the end of my experience abroad will you do it again what I go abroad again yeah in the situation that I’m in no yes now you’re not looking back in hindsight well we were there two things that I would like to to know about this experience of yours like will you go again and the other thing is what will you do different if we not what knowing what you know now what advice can you provide to – Shaun so if we can cover those two okay and what I do it again ya know cuz I’m re don’t have two kids that you know I mean if the opportunity was there for me and my wife and my two kids to move somewhere for possibly a year yeah to share any experience somewhere as working in what I work in note yes yes yeah 100% I would take the opportunity yeah and give my wife and my children that experience yeah but it would be there I’d be there with my wife and kids yes it would be a different yeah and doing the thing that you know I enjoy yeah and that you could actually grow yes absolutely III would yes yeah if the opportunity was there to do something that I love and yes with my wife and kids absolutely lucky barking Hittite yeah you you go back in time you see Shawn there right before living in the country in the middle of the crisis the meltdown so what advice will you provide to that guy do it but don’t stake your life on this that was that with you that would be the advice that I because I think I put my heart into it too much and that this was going to be yeah my life No yeah it’s going to be my change and I may never come back to iron yeah it is it for good good because people that left Ireland in the 80s including my uncle who live in New York who I seen a bit when I was over there he left Ireland in the same in the same instance a recession as he left and he never came back yeah still he lives in New York no no and I talk okay this is me this is my time this is it yeah I’m going and I may never come back yeah and I was ok with that but don’t I suppose that might have been a parrot that might have added to my grievance and that it wasn’t yes it wasn’t what I wanted it to be yep and I had to accept that it wasn’t what I wanted it to be and be okay with it yes that’s important and I was as soon as I came home I was okay with it yeah because I accepted that ok I’m going home now that my choices are when I go home is to go to Australia I’m walking Australia like a lot of people were doing yep or stay in Ireland and try and make my life in Ireland and it means maybe starting on the lowest of the low which I did when I got my job in Dublin in August 2011 I got a low job it wasn’t very well paid but it was a job it was something to do it got me out of my parents house yep coming to Dublin and from there it was a stepping stone to my next job and then my next job and then thank you for going Sean um if there is someone at this moment that is listening to the show and is maybe working abroad having a good time or maybe no feeling the path in their way well what advice could provide to them don’t suffer in silence I think I suffered for too long okay I was maybe three or four months where I didn’t tell anybody how I was feeling mhm and it really made me really upset well why did D didn’t you do it you will really be proud yeah too proud to tell people that I think III think I failed yeah that I’ve gone abroad and I failed see people don’t see it as that now yeah happy people go abroad now as as a cultural exchange as a cultural opportunity and that okay yeah they may have the job that they like yeah but it it may not be you know going where they want it to go and then they just sort of they stick with it yeah yeah it’s because it’s what it’s what they think they should be doing but I think that was probably a little bit too private for too long to say okay I think I I think this isn’t for me I think I’ve failed yeah but it’s not a failure that he does here it is experience you know when I look back I can see okay that’s an experience I grew from that ya know Know Who I am and how I got here yeah and I’m okay with that and I’m okay it’s okay to make executive decisions mm-hmm that involve your life so if you want to just stop and go home it’s fine yeah I think it’s fine and a big part of it is a good support network of family and friends any lots of advice for the people they are listening to the show and if you’re over travel and working experience at all enjoy every bit of it you know open your heart to everything but if you’re not happy be okay to say you’re not happy but that was my advice yeah because I think I I just waited too long yeah I was too proud and but yeah I’m much happier now yeah I think one of the the points that you’re saying the people kind of think that it’s only happening to me I I’m the one that is not feeling fine being abroad and then you close yourself and there when we feel the things the the more personal thing in your life sometimes is the thing that is happening to many people ya know I like a good example that I can go back to because I’ve worked in the summer camps this is a great example and it applies to life I know we have to finish up soon but is it good when I worked in the summer camps starting off we were working with seven-year-old kids who are coming to summer camp stay over summer camp for four weeks must mean seven years old and having to leave your family for seven weeks Wow that’s it and they experience real homesickness real homesickness that you think you kick that you won’t experience as an adult but when you go abroad you would feel that yeah because you’re just as alone and seven-year-old kids whether you’re seven seventeen seventy it doesn’t matter you can feel homesickness you can feel yeah a sense of abandonment but you’re not alone you are not alone people you if you open up and talk to people but again my cautious but there would be I think you have to open up to the right people that’s you have to be you have to be very very very secure that this person or these peoples are the people that you want to open up to great thank you for being in the show Sean thank you Leo for having me use and if the people want to contact you some way is there a way to contact you yeah contact machine leo okay great leave it leave a comment on his website or leave a comment on this podcast and if you want to ask me some questions I’m very happy to answer anything great and for contact me it’s a Leonardo da Barton at p.m. dot M II thank you sure Thank You leo

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