第22 Work abroad – Interview with Software Engineer Balazs Edes Hungary Ireland

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welcome to this new episode of working in abroad today I’m with a ballast Ellis and he will correct my the way that I say his name he’s a professional software engineer he working in in Ireland so ballast if you tell about you yeah so pronunciation was almost correct it’s a Polish edition I am from Hungary so it’s a we have a few good names and yeah I moved to Ireland two and a half years ago and I work here as a developer are you firm as small or like a big city you of how how’s your city backer hungry so I have been growing up in the outskirts of Budapest the capital okay but I spent the rest of my life so since I moved out from my parents I spent the rest of my life in Budapest I should say I’m from the capital okay and what were what were your motivation to go out of the country so that’s an interesting story hungry was a communist country so around the time I was born that was the time when we basically started to recover or I would say we completely recovered and at least in the family I have I have grown up in all the Western countries seemed super shiny so everything that that’s going on outside Eastern Bloc seem to be much more appealing and when you see for example the success stories of of people with their companies like how Zuckerberg managed to get Facebook in the current position yeah and that kind of adds up and gives you motivation to to have a look at how things are looking like outside of outside of Hungary and what about the dog which because well hungry in language is got a different English so where do you start to learn English oh how was your approach to that I am completely screwed with languages so that I haven’t heard about any language that has too many similarities with Hungarian so basically when I hear like Italian Spanish people they almost can understand each other while speaking their own language that wasn’t really working for me okay so I live in two first German that’s that’s more these days that’s more relevant in Hungary many German companies are there so for example my father is working for Forbush and I have been learning that in school and after that I kind of picked up English viola was learning programming software engineering in school because mostly documentation and everything was in English so the approach to that was initially just look up stuff in a dictionary and then starting to listen to podcasts like this one so listen to native speakers yeah and for example I have absolutely no idea about grammar in English probably my pronunciation is not the best either but I understand it’s good it’s good it’s good to know that people have just taken from from whatever resources they have and so were you at the end of your university you think what do you go to university or do you jump out of the wagon at high school and start to work and at what point in your life you started to like actually taken serious steps to go abroad so yeah I wasn’t university on I started working at my second year at the University so I was basically working in the field I’m currently working in just without experience so like an internship and I have been working in Hungary for like I think three-and-a-half years or so altogether and I basically have this in mind all the time so throughout the my whole career that I I would like to try my luck outside of Hungary at some point and it was when I was around 25 when I actually realized it and moved to Ireland it’s about the time yeah so how did you do it did you start to do search for for jobs yeah so the first thing I have done is basically um figure out which country do I want to move to go to and I was first looking at how should I go to the u.s. that was my initial plan go to there but then I was like okay this is probably a little bit too big of a step at first to switch continents and then I started looking at the english-speaking countries around Europe so that left me with the United Kingdom and environment and I decide I decided that the plan is to go to Ireland in the end and the interesting thing is that I did most of my research online so the first time I have been here in Ireland in person was actually at my last job interview so that is probably not something that I would recommend if you if you have travelling experience you have moved around different countries then before you decide to go to a place definitely check it out more denied it because I could have gone much more unlucky yes yeah it’s um I my case a what I read about Ireland was online as well and no book so that was merely online and then I just jump into the plane and then yeah it was lucky I was lucky I would say but uh yeah it could be um worse than that and you start you saw some like you got a job before leaving a Hungary or do you we just came so I moved to the job so I I started interviewing for this car and there were a few rounds of the interview that we could do just through the phone or through Skype or or don’t remember how we did that but definitely not in person and for the last rounds I came over and that was actually the first time I have been outside of the country without basically anybody and what were your feelings before taking it that plane for the last round of interviews because you were paying your own ticket or the company pay the ticket company pay the ticket okay and location like accommodations they were being given by the company as well yeah it was pretty nicely sorted out so they provided a you know what via was just here for the interview they paid for the Airbnb and after that when I actually got hired and moved to the country I got temporary accommodation for a month which was kind of helpful because I had no idea what am I doing here yep so what were your feelings before leaving the country and knowing that you were coming to Ireland oh I’m going to do it now and live in the country living family behind I’m living friends behind and living my dummbell dumbbells behind as well so how I thought those feelings yeah I was just like okay screw it let’s do it okay it’s like mentor and yeah it’s it was a very like a different thing from what I have done before but what I didn’t really have any second thoughts so I just ran with it I mean once that you were you were here and I’m I’m thinking about you got the job you moved to Ireland you were having the Airbnb in your ghettos first it’s in the country what we’re going through your mind so the first I think the first month that was kind of nice you know he was a honeymoon country yeah you’re having your Irish honeymoon yeah and the interesting thing is that the famous crappy Irish weather wasn’t to the heating so it’s nice and sunny okay I was moving around August you are asking well what’s why the people are complaining about Irish weather so the first difficulty was when I try to find a place to rent so if you are thinking about moving to Ireland maybe not the whole of Ireland but if you are planning to move to the capital it’s not the best for the renter scrambling so that wasn’t that was the case when I moved as well so it took a while I think I I almost took the whole month that the company provided me provided for me for the initial period of time but eventually I managed to find an okay place that was one of the big downgrades compared to Hungary because that I was doing the same job and compared to to displace the amount of money it took to rent a prison or a really nice place so like I was living alone then and I am living alone now as well and then I could basically pretend for the same percentage of my salary a much nicer place and here I’m not saying I’m living in a crappy place but it’s dissenters are not the same yeah so yeah the the housing is definitely I would say it’s worse like that’s something that’s that’s got worse compared to yeah standards that happened to me as well because we were used to different kind of modern apartments and you get all these new stuff and especially because you get her like a a profession were you could get a reasonable amount of money as a salary so you kind of feel like yeah I kind of could be living here at these standards and then when you start to check prices here and start to check for any places and then you see what’s the status of the places you’re liable why I’m paying this like double the price for half the the the quality yeah so yeah definitely you need to adjust your expectations I would say and that is the case for accumulation what what what about cultures do you have any culture shock culture shock not really I would say that most places I have been in Europe since kind of have similar cultures obviously there are differences in like different different holidays and stuff like that so there are things that we don’t do and Irish people do I can’t really think of anything does about that top of my mind but there were a few things like this what what about one of the things that we were talking another interview was they were saying like British people usually are more kind of indirect to say stuff down of the French and well Irish people compared to hunger in culture how do you feel they are you more correct to say things or do you feel that you have to switch your ways to say this stuff so I am more direct anyways I don’t really care too much but it seemed to be like it it didn’t really seem to be a problem so some people are a little bit like how should I sign that they are surprised if I say something negative even at work without trying to like repeating in a good in a good package yeah something that’s true if I just say like I don’t like it because of this and that it’s a little bit surprising it for citing part that you got used to it so yeah great yeah yes so good now I’m now thinking about the way that offers employment offers alguien don’t some companies provides here stock more days for PTO yeah and sometimes even insurance or stuff like that so very compared to what you’ve seen before coming to Ireland down do you see a difference like in how that job hunting is done yeah so definitely the one thing that that was a big upgrade is basically the indeed working culture so here or at least at the company I’m working at he the Latinos I can say about it is it’s very relaxed I am not absolutely not stressed out and if I need to take personal time then the only thing that I have to do is say that I’m gonna do this and there is no like looking at you meet up with I come how should I say yeah well now it’s true I remember when I used to be working in Costa Rica and if you were asking for for a couple of hours sometimes I seem like you were begging and before for time for four and sometimes you were just staying longer hours at some place I say but when you are asking for time for you the people start to see you in a really weird look and I hear they don’t do they don’t do that they well you yeah you got some personal stuff to tend go do that they don’t really care they care about just that the job is done and you stop properly yeah exactly so yeah back in Hungary I’m not I don’t wanna name many companies but I have been in a situation where it it didn’t really look good if you like left five minutes earlier yes yeah grab a package or something yeah so it’s kind of nice here for example I am going out for working out throughout the day so kind of in a lunch break and I’m doing that for like a year or so and since other than that I’m doing my job okay know what really yes it’s pretty neat because I remembered that I when I just started to be working here in Ireland and I saw some of my colleagues doing that for the midday you’re taking the stuff and going to the gym and I was like what surprising first oh yeah I was surprised like why are they living on the water and they came back in like an hour and a half or maybe two hours later and I was like whoa and yes that because you work but work is part of life and it’s not so yeah definitely I think you and me could agree too we advise people like choose carefully yeah do you when you were looking for a job that you were were you looking LinkedIn or any website what websites we recommend to people so I I think I have been on LinkedIn and I have been more specific site like Stack Overflow which is mostly for software engineering and related stuff so I I think I have found this job on that on that side oh okay but if you are in this profession then I don’t think you will have too much problems finding a job almost anywhere if you are patient enough because I have been interviewing two other places here as well but they’re obviously jobs that didn’t work out yes it’s definitely a quarter active marketing you know in Ireland because you see recruiters pitching you and then you get mails about people offering new positions and yeah it’s quite surprising because you see a lot of things like kid go from one place to the other but you need to do choose carefully yeah and if you were going back in time and let’s say you’ve been here two and a half years let’s say you find out about us from the three or four years ago what would you say to the guy to actually motivate to do this job yeah what would I do differently so one thing that I should have done differently from the start is socialize more so these days I don’t really have time to be honest and too much energy to go out and explore my mice my circle of friends yeah but I should I definitely should have and even I now actually invest more energy in that so once you move out here you have to realize that you don’t have your old francium oh yeah you don’t have your familiar anymore and you’re kind of alone if you don’t have a friend here so it’s it’s kind of important and I’ve seen other guys doing this on much better than I have and basically don’t really give a crap about anything just going out and socialize with everybody yeah and it kind of ends up happier because then you were exposed to more people yeah bigger group of friends so that’s something I definitely should have done in the past also um the other thing I should have done here is first I don’t want to say any numbers but the first time I moved here my sari wasn’t really on point since then I managed to yeah but since other time that was the only offer that I was interested in there I was like okay I am NOT gonna negotiate on this but I definitely should have guys that’s one thing that is quite an important and then we have a scene in another shows because when we are outside Rhode Island and then we see these others and then we get an offer and we say wow that’s not that bad I can I can manage that okay I could be happy with that number and we don’t turn to negotiate we don’t dare to kind of ask for all the benefits and we think that money will be you know and then once you come start to work things start to change you see oh actually I’m not in this in the scale that I should be yes sir for me it was definitely all drop in terms of living standards at first when I moved out and that was mostly that is mostly because I didn’t negotiate too much you know yeah how did you handle that moment because while you were here you came you wanted to be abroad you started to use your English and see it started to have experience here in Ireland right so well the salary was not there for you like you were saying there was a drop in your standards yeah you were used to do or we used to have at hand and to what you were having at the moment so let me your spirit was kind of low so how do you manage to don’t break and say okay well you know I was having a better life in Hungary I’m I’m going home I wasn’t really aiming for especially a better life now I it was kind of an experiment for me um so the start wasn’t the smartest so when I when I moved out here after like the third month I got diagnosed with a family um it’s not not the diverse but the cancer so I have been treated before until from I don’t know when it started the treatment but it took a while and after that they recovered took awhile as well and so dealing with all that stuff at first pain in the beginning when I moved out wasn’t really the nicest yeah but the way I was looking at it is that it’s it’s a new experience um I mean being out here yep and I shouldn’t really bother that much with the sorry I should just try to enjoy myself here and like so you didn’t break you didn’t think about going back it’s definitely discourage me a little bit but I didn’t think about going back immediately okay in the end I I probably will end up back in Hungary at some point they want to live my whole life here yep but I didn’t really discourage me that part like I have seen that yeah this this probably wasn’t the best decision I probably either should negotiate it up later or go to move to a different job mm-hmm but the interesting thing was that the this work is basically um recognized that this sorry the time receiving he is it’s like no it’s not as the others can be known over yet so they basically increased it without me asking oh great then since I since I wasn’t really happy with what I’m what I was doing after a while in terms of the job I also made a mistake of not saying that I would like to switch okay and I started looking at different jobs okay and when I said okay I’m gonna leave yeah then it maybe it wasn’t a mistake but then I also it’s maybe it’s not the way they should be done but well it worked at least for you because one bit is you could come with any job offer good job of running the company but if you’re not good at the current company the company that you are they will not care okay you got an offer actually I don’t really fancy anymore here so you can go ahead yeah but if they are happy with your what you’re doing and they know that you’re being actually kind of your wanted at somewhere else somewhere else so they say like well actually I can give you more money and it’s part of that maybe that we are not used to negotiate in the best way and this kind of stuff is worth yeah definitely like that’s a very valuable experience to once or at least first like be honest when you’re coming for a job and like kind of have an idea of what you want and also like say what you can bring to the table and return since you are basically selling your time so you are spending here 8 hours of 3 through 5 days a week so the time is something that you want to get back so you should be receiving obviously in like reasonable limits yes what you have what you think your AdWords and if a company isn’t willing to give that for you then you won’t really be happy there yeah that’s why it’s really nice to to say that up front and since then I have been interviewing to other places and it is kind I think they appreciate it as well if you say that ok up front what you want yeah I think list in another cultures it would be different if you go up front and you just say oh yeah actually I’m interviewing it’s another place so that kind of mind your relationship with your your boss or your place and and I sometimes hear actually like well you know I’m not happy and I might be looking for somewhere else and they might offer you something better you know it could be switching job oh I’m inside the company and sometimes it’s just Marsh money yeah but that’s one another thing that is definitely would be worth it to to calculate the cost of living because even if they even if you receive an offer that sounds really nice it might not be the best for the given country yes true true well I’m sure you have any last advice for the people or if your your get what you’re saying and usually I think the the vague reason people try to move out this because we think that the the neighbors grass is always greener oh yes don’t dismiss your home country yes but also don’t be afraid to try – yes I do different things that’s a great trace any way that the people can contact you yeah I think yeah you could contact me on Instagram it’s a at super green okay great see you got a frog over there and in my case is Leonardo thought Martin at P n dot M e and thank you thank you for for being with us and hopefully you will keep coming and listen to more stories about professionals who are abroad and have their bits of that t-shirt Thank You ballast thank you thank you for right [Music]

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