第29 Work Abroad Interview with Paul Diepenbrock Netherlands Ireland

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welcome to this new program work and learning abroad today we have guests from Netherlands Paul how you’re doing good yeah absolutely fine are you get good maybe if you you can start by telling us a bit about yourself yes absolutely yeah so I’m Dutch I’m 28 years old and I’ve been raised in the Netherlands so for most of my childhood I’ve been raised in yeah the same country in the noise I’m I’m I’m from from from a town relatively big in the Netherlands so not not too enormous but two hundred thousand people close by that City so I was raised in the village but always went up and down to that city okay for high school and so on so village life towards city life gradually throughout my first eighteen years let’s say okay um did you do the University your hometown or do you go to the yeah sorry exactly on that point so when I finished high school in my in my hometown I I was I was already thinking what to do because I think that when you’re 18 years old it’s I think we talked about this before Leo every eight years old you don’t really know what you what you like actually I think you’re not developed to that stage that you can really know what you what you love in life probably you always develop what she loves in life but especially that age probably still like randomly randomly hunting girls out of what she’s doing and that’s trying to decide for a major exactly so I took gap here during that time and I was actually mainly thinking about what I would like to study I decided to go for a study that was quite broad rather than specific and I decided to do my bachelor in European studies which is a very broad very broad degree yeah why because yeah it deals with the European Union but everything in it really so it’s about the institution of the European Union and therefore politics as well but it’s also about communication and history and philosophy and and even marketing was there and some economics as well at this point do you do The Bachelor in English or in Ireland it’s kind of easy to get an english-speaking yeah yeah so we are always we always yea taught that we have very good English and I believe we do have a very good level of English in general but still also I had to invest in my English so it’s not like it comes naturally yeah or that we that we erase bilingually it’s not the case I actually indeed after I started my course it was 80% probably in English and 20% and done so from that moment on I start to do most of the things in English I started to understand yeah the english-speaking world which was much broader and bigger than I could imagine okay going from my hometown in 90s it’s called so few naked do you like the language English was for your like besides being a theme for studying usually you start to be a little bit shy and yeah you you have to get out of your comfort zone yeah but the more you engage the more you invest and the more you experience the East becomes to talk with people and to converse without any problems and that was my progress through those four years of Bachelor I developed myself linguistically but also in my own interest I took an interest in more the political side of my study history political and philosophical side of our city and that made me also go for a master in England okay international relations what are your first piece being leaping abroad my first experience living abroad was during my bachelor in Finland okay so I can really recall the moment when I left to Finland and my level of English and when I came back from Finland okay probably 2021 maybe okay it’s a different the feeling that you got from Finland a feeling that when you when going to the UK about giving abroad and going to another country anxiety does it 3 get to you you know what I love is we are humans and we are so similar but the same time so different and in Finland I stayed in a north of Finland so I’ve stayed in the capital of Lapland in the joven II me it’s called and people are in relation to the Netherlands quite distant talk to one another day they greet each other very differently very more like in a cold way I would say if you like I would say polar Polar difference between Finnish people and and so itself made a myth American people that I’m much more warm so yeah in England they are much more talkative much more alike to Dutch ok so culturally wise Indians but it is probably easier to approach you and to be there yes yeah but two different experiences and all those yeah do you now we are here in Island yeah and the third time how do how did you get here after the UK yeah so if I have to explain my story it is I like to just go with the flow and don’t blend too much my life too far in advance although it’s good to make sometimes lands for the future it’s could not put him through settlement stone and that’s really why I came here I did my masters in England I actually probably one of the reasons that I’m everywhere is because my my parents that are living in Switzerland so I went to Switzerland to live with my parents for a while and think about what I wanted to do and I decided to travel for a while okay I went to to Japan where you think oh nice yeah I was welcomed among other places and returned and somehow I can I got this opportunity because I was looking I think I was looking on this website it’s why so much probably called international jobs or okay something like this international jobs and I got this opportunity to go to to to Dublin which I didn’t expect because I thought I want to do something in Brussels because there’s more related to my study yeah but I just did I decided to go for that because I was able to earn money and I didn’t expect anything but I’m still here after 2 years I can I know that related to to that feeling about living abroad who what what what you Europe is kind of like people move around through the countries about guys from what I can see because the different of movement that you have yes do you know did you see yourself I wasn’t even about like after Finland in the inner lands then you came then go back to Switzerland they probably like you feel like a while I actually an international citizen like yeah maybe at some point I started to feel a bit like this and yes I have to admit that even if there are people listening to this podcast that might live in different countries where the free movement of people are not as is as obvious as we have in European Union I’m yeah that probably helped me in doing this because part of my first move in Finland was the Erasmus program that was it is funded by the European Union to go abroad and get a little bit of funds for social assistance but still I would suggest that even if it’s last promoted for you to go abroad the first I might be hard but the second time you would want to go upward again for many reasons could you say a son of those reasons will you say the money when you say they life style because a list for me here in Dublin and one of the things that I can easily see is that I can go to the cinema a night and then I can walk back to home and the best I think that I wouldn’t dare to do in the capital walk in a night p.m. it would be dangerous to do yeah so what do you see that you like here in Dublin yeah what I like here in Dublin yes if eclis or in one of the places that you have been yeah so what I like about international experiences is the experience and I may be the least motivation for me to come here was probably money although I need money – yeah survive yeah yeah we all know that yeah I think it is yeah the experiences that counts in the end and what made my stay successful here for example if you ask me that is for example to get to know Ireland as a country the real people and there’s there are several ways in which you can get to know different cultures so probably the first encounter would be to to go while you’re still working you go abroad and you you go to for on holiday for maybe two weeks and in a very short period of time you try to cram a lot of different sites in that moment yeah a great experience I’m sure but maybe the local the real locality of that experience yes might miss out because you just haven’t spent enough time maybe the second second most culturally rewarding way of travelling would be to stay for an extended period of time and that is maybe one two three months if you can afford longer because then probably have more time to relax and also try to understand different cultures and just come across dock that you don’t normally experience agree I’ve really the fourth and that is what I’m living here right now in Ireland is that you stay in a country for a longer time and then you really start to understand how things work in relation to your own country and I’m not sure if you have anything that institutions work that are completely the reverse in your own country well I would say that happened to me in Japan where everything that I knew was no way to know like to do this stuff so yeah you have you start to to wire yourself up again because new ideas you went to do stuff are started to be there so here night and I was surprised I’ve been and I still get a good experience here so if I go to the institutions the government yeah things work and I can work with revenue through their website and things things work so that’s a thing that I couldn’t be doing back at home so I like here and how was your experience related to job hunting here and it was different from other countries I’m not sure if you work in another besides the island it depends I believe surely on on like what type of background you have and where you’re seeking and what kind of fields you’re seeking a job although I am working right now in sales and opportunities are plenty and not just in Ireland also elsewhere so if you are into sales than in Europe at least because that is what I know in Ireland or Barcelona there are lots of many opportunities and list under opportunities but that is maybe sales related right but then I know that everywhere in Europe they are looking for people where you can where you can easily start when you have the ability to speak English for example could you recall our culture cultural shock that you have at some other country then you here in the island or the UK or Finland I will name a couple okay culture shock in Ireland the stats everything revolves around drinking beer in a pub everything the whole social life is the bump yeah in Japan the way they are so organized I’m waiting for restaurants to queue up for an hour and they don’t care because the food is good and another totally different experience and business-wise the inside to be the your workplace have you seen yourself like yeah from your Dutch background dude actually yeah you know that is a really really rewarding thing of my last two years in Ireland because I’ve been lucky enough to to work with a really big group of international people and so I’ve mostly been in banalakis team to the ban Lukas Belgium Luxemburg and another which is mostly combined but we have always been part of a bigger group of different nationalities and that that’s an amazing experience to be together with all people that want to go abroad want you to go for the experience but to come back to your question Dutch people for example are quite direct and I’ve seen sometimes dads some people don’t really appreciate that they prefer that you bring it more gently and sometimes whatever up yeah yeah yeah we say that some people is it’s funny to see people from different cultures that does part of doing the podcast people that’s many a country that we could get because one thing that happens is that in Costa Rica we tend to be on direct and as there is the Japanese the Japanese I require direct in their way to talk yes but the French now Dutch that you’re mentioning they are more than direct to how things that are saying so when they start to work in an American company or in an Irish company they have to adjust their kind of way just because it’s just the way the culture is exactly I do think that we are quite close with the English and with the Irish and also the Americans in some sort of way because our societies are more individualistic and we tend to be quite open and direct but subcultures are is surely different like right I completely agree what you’re saying so I’ve been to China and I’ve been to Japan countries that are completely diff for ours China for example they are I would say China and Japan are both very collectivist and that means that they care a lot about the family the social part of it but China is extremely loud they talk more easily what they probably think and they are like really loud they spit on the floor they do whatever japanese are extremely ordered they’re very careful what they say in social in the social aspect but her friends or family they don’t want to hurt people easily with what they say that that is yes surely different we don’t have them on the floor because mostly European but they’re just difference exists and it’s amazing to experience them related to interviewing here in Ireland yes do you have any advice but for the people when they are coming to an interview here in Ireland or in the UK or or even in their lands if I would say my advice is that if you’re determined to to do something if you’re interested in a job and you want a job then my advice is just to prepare well get experience from the YouTube or whatsoever get in contact with those that maybe do that role in the company by contacting them through LinkedIn and ask them questions I would say you know showing exposure and interest is probably already that you created a foot in the door okay nice that’s for me my advice related to housing to get into apartments and stuff like that yeah well could you advice to the people as well in Ireland UK no less I I think loneliness is quite quite hearts dubbin is also quite hard to get your housing fixed but not impossible and it’s also not something that such as to take too long I found a house in one week and so I’ve many friends that found a place in a week and that it’s just by selling a lot of responses and going after those rooms and really if you do that you will get a room so you don’t have to worry to find a place to live not at all at some point this trip of life how you fell have you felt like actually it is too troublesome when I go back tired of this even abroad have you felt like that and if you how could you overcome that feeling yeah thing I want to say is probably that you just have to start and then reflect back on it because I think I have a clear opinion about this I’ve been as I told you in the beginning of this podcast I’ve been travelling abroad since and since I was 20 I’m 28 now it’s a four eight a good eight years I’ve been travelling on about living in different countries and experienced amazing things with different people and the more you experience probably the more you you seek it and sounds like a rush it’s also for me and maybe that’s personal my parents live somewhere in Europe not in my home country anymore okay although I have siblings that live in my own country I cannot envision anymore to live where I was raised and that does not to do with the people I still know there yeah it is just because it feels that I’m I’ve outgrown it or it’s a different moment in my life and that I am moving in different directions and I prefer to see as much as I can that is my motivation if you by any chance you go back and grab Paul 15 years old I’m now going further because I know you were in Finland so 15 years old you find you find your ball dairy at the high school I’d say 15 years old yes yeah so what if I advice for you even for it is a Stefano I know that we were saying the three years but now I know that your Finland was a good experience I imagine because was the first time ya know in a way I always say never regret what you do but at the same time of course I’m always encouraging to take to do as much as you can right yeah but if I was when I was 15 maybe you know what I would say this to my 15 year old self I probably should have started earlier with going abroad I miss having myself there yeah but at the same time you know it is also about India farm that you raised opportunities that were given to you and I’m happy that I am here where I am now with these experiences and I love it but sometimes these opportunity has to be given to you as well I have some of my colleagues that that to have that but they come from a very different background its international families blah blah blah yeah so yeah that would be what I would say yeah it’s always good as you mentioned to get prepared for the interview to the company to get in contact with the top people that’s part of networking and we always say it networking prepared tuned all about the country rate the country really the culture and now as you were saying some people comes from different backgrounds where the family are all international and they are more kind of exposed to that but that doesn’t mean that you are just limit yeah it doesn’t mean that you count yeah okay that means that you can come and Aspen yeah yeah it’s so it’s good if someone listening to the podcast has that feeling go for it as you say like go for it go for it and it not surprised the limit yeah anyway you will be is going back to your country and you’re already there so there is nothing to those any last advice ball no I forward he sums up in the end like no I would say you know go for your experience I would really encourage I would encourage everyone wherever you are to to experience something abroad and that’s what I mean with experience something that is different from what you know and I only think it can enrich you it will enrich your understanding of the way people are it will give you probably better understanding of even your political ideas or philosophical ideas does it make you better at work this make me better at work yeah because you haven’t sales so that that’s yeah well I actually I’m also working on Belgium which is not the same okay country so in a way probably as I’m trying to that maybe it’s and that it probably has this you know make me grow as a person so probably it does help yeah we’re talking a couple of years thank you so much you’re welcome hopefully you will like this episode letters now if you wanna get in contact with me you could me to Leonardo dog barking at p.m. dot and II and if they want to contact you okay yes if you want to contact me feel free to shoot me an email it’s a bit hard my email address but it’s ec d I II be e and B are o ck at gmail.com so it’s easy deep and block which is my last name at gmail.com great and this is the last episode for the year in English so your thank you for being with us at Paul I’m Georgia 2018 yeah and Happy Holidays to everybody you like rice alright see ya

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