第5 Work and learn abroad – experience insights with Software Engineer Andrea Gardiman (Italy -> Ireland)

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welcome to this new edition of working and learn abroad today we are with the entire cardigan how you do enjoy yeah so Andres going to to talk about his experience about working abroad he will provide some advice and we are going to see how it goes so maybe you can tell us where are you coming from I come from Italy in a town close to Venice nice were there nice hot water yeah exactly and how do you know about coming here to to Ireland so I was working in Padua so not it’s still close to Venice but more a little bit on this house when I were from Venice not my hometown so and I I was working there after university two years and then I’ve been contacted through linking from a company and what well you were contacted and then you you started to think about going abroad or you have done some thinking before that no I have done some thinking so basically I I did my I studied computer science it is my bachelor’s degree a master’s degree in Padua and after the bachelor degree I wanted to go abroad to study abroad and and I knew that I wanted also to to work abroad in in the future I didn’t know when but I knew that I want so I decided to do the master degree in Italy still in Padua but then I wanted to have an Erasmus experience abroad at the the second year of the master degree I went to Amsterdam in the Netherlands to study for seven months so I lived there and so I had already had an experience but just for study and your your reason for going abroad was the experience salary running away from a girlfriend I was trying to actually I always wanted to have the experience to to live abroad not forever but at least maybe for a short period because I just because of the experience because I could learn like the language like to improve my English okay because as you know guys like Italians are not really good yes speaking English so I really wanted to do that and then for for someone who is working in IT working abroad is really is it’s a really good thing because in Italy vit is not consider it like very cool it’s not you say like the best the backs off ever like abroad abroad is like is considered a lot more and then you get an offer and you can just have an offered from from one possible company that we’re going to hire you here and how do you take the offered were you happy what do you try to negotiate a little bit more money how so I decided for example so for in Italy it’s not considered as the the best of ever but is really really high demanded so even during the bachelor degree I was receiving offers even before graduating from companies and I then I to come here I started no just for me all around Italians come but us and sometimes and then I I graduated and I started to do the master degree and even during the master I I was receiving even more offers from companies but I have to say that after being after The Rasmus in Amsterdam because I have been abroad then also the companies from abroad started to send me messages in Lincoln okay and after the graduation after the master degree I like the number of companies to increase yeah and it was like kind of surprising because I didn’t know that this job could like was like handyman yeah yeah exactly and Wow do you feel well you get an offer than you well you were thinking about going abroad and no it’s really not not at the beginning at least because I wanted to stay in Italy I really I still wanted to go abroad but not in that in that period okay so after the master degree accepted an offer I received like four or five offers from different companies in Italy and it was one about offering so I think that it was like the cool thing at the moment and he still the cool thing and yeah and it was preparing also doing the master degree and or and doing my studies in announcer than to do that to follow that path so it was like the perfect job for me at the moment but so I I was not considering going abroad but then I received three special cause that same one from Google one from Amazon and one from Facebook and I replied to them I’ve seen other of other messages from lincolni but they never replied to the other ones but two three were like the big ones yeah and actually I always wanted to work for Google it has always been my dream and then I so remember that the one from Google works for [Music] for a position that was about Google search for being an analyst and I didn’t know anything about about that and then they asked me are you interested in that I was not really really interested but it was for Google you know and then I was like super excited about that I started interview and they went like that that was really bad because I had some but I didn’t know they wanted to try it did you feel like an on Garner brother is done my teen at the moment and then I will just try to be better at what I’m doing now how do you forward for evil for one years into these up this offered where you actually got into what was the difference that you actually say yes I’m going abroad because of the company absolutely okay so yeah because I I was not feeling the radio I was not feeling good to go abroad just just to go abroad but I wanted to go abroad just if the opportunity was really right because I don’t want I didn’t want to to leave my country just for the sake of it you know okay but I wanted to leave the country because I was not interested in the experience itself but most 44 my career okay yeah yeah exactly of course living abroad would have been like a very good thing for me but especially for the company so that that those three companies where the right companies to work for for me so I tried that with the Google one was completely unrelated to what I was doing it was not prepared at all with the Amazon one and with the other two let’s say that where they were really really difficult and after like six months of working with things that are not like real completely related to what they were asking me it was like a really difficult thing the interviews were and I failed okay so that’s nice to know because many people will think like okay you gotta know a lot of offers I’m will you jump into any and that’s not the end that that’s just the beginning because well you you need still to go through the whole process when you got here the company that you’re currently working when you got the offer and you started to see numbers and instructed to see okay actually I’m going and this is for my professional growth and then I will do better how did you feel then you feel like yes I’m going now and or do you are you were you thinking about you leaving your family behind I was thinking a lot about that because the job that I had in Italy was with a lot of responsibilities I was learning a lot from that company and and so and the environment was really good I had a lot of friends inside the company so I was feeling really good in Italy I was really happy with my life in my work life and also outside world so when I received the call I was did the job was really good but I started to to work on every time on the thing on same things and I felt that I could have something more challenging okay I really like the challenges and and then I started to look at the the message is linking like actively looking for for them not to to send my CV to apply for another position but read what the other wanted to write to me and then I brought like few few of those messages and instead to say yeah I’m interesting now I remember that I did that for two or three weeks and they selected few of those companies started to do the the process and I received like three offers from from them from the three three of them and so I decided where to go and I start I decided to come here and I learned one foot was in Switzerland another was in Berlin and another I chose the w1 because of the because of the company but then of course it was not I had to say yes to the company I had to be sure to say okay now I’m gonna set the the offer and of course I like beside beside being really happy at the job so you you really think okay but if I’m happy here why should I change yeah I know that they wanted something more challenging where I can grow I could grow more but it’s still something difficult to the side and I had all my my friends there in Italy but then I thought I think that I I should start doing what I really care about my life and what is really make me happy is my my job okay I really enjoy now was the final yeah yeah yeah because I really I really want to when I work actually enjoying what I’m doing I always wanted to be like a software engineer and I’m really happy when I’m doing that I’m really happy when things are challenging I have to really find that I didn’t find the chances of difficult problems and in Italy it was not the case anymore you know did you find the chance absolutely I found it here and so I and the language how to guard it with the language English be more in an english-speaking country for me it was difficult is so difficult because maybe you can’t imagine okay you say Ireland Dublin is English I thought the same and being in in Amsterdam for seven months in the password here Osmos I thought okay now I can stand because I was in like watching field movies or listening conferences but then when I can when I when I came here the first week was like it was really hard yeah especially being in a in a team like where most of the people are Irish yeah Irish is so difficult yeah is another level totally totally so it was it was really a problem for me but then I kept improving and I’m still improving now I know that my English is not it’s not like best one but I feel that I’m improving but I still have problem with what they are and for for living in Ireland or living abroad even that you were half a year in apps turned on now that your being here more than a year how do you feel how do you do you feel happy you made a good decision I feel yeah yeah absolutely absolutely I never regretted the choice I remember that the first let’s say the first month was the valve was tough yeah because I was feeling alone let’s say the first two months yeah and then I started to when I started from the beginning to to talk with people and to try to connection as it was I was feeling that it was I was forced to do that you know I I was I was forcing myself to write to people and at the beginning you’ve read to people that you maybe you don’t really know them they are maybe even the wrong people to go out with there and then you need time to find the right yeah the right matches with friends but then at the beginning you just want to be with someone else because you are completely alone and I didn’t know no one here so yeah I was I remember that they was lucky because after three weeks I found out on Facebook that one of my friend was here guys and then he was visiting another guy another Italian guy that my friend met three years before in Erasmus in Spain and then he was visiting him here and I wrote to my friend hey you are here I am now I live here so we can we can meet and go out this tonight and he say yeah sure sure let’s go out and then I met the other Italian guy that was living here and also all his friends and then now he is my first oldest friend that they have here so you got your group because I think that that was the real start here so yeah sorry it’s good it’s good to go out and try to connect because if not life as you said before it’s going to be lonely and yeah that’s so being a broad part of the fun is to torture me people go out and kind of get to know the place yeah I remember when the first night that I was here and wanted to go out and just party oh yeah and so I started to go know in some pubs and I remember that at the end I was I stayed with a guy and his friends and the guy bought a bottle of sambuca in a in a pub I think she spent like a hundred euros for some book it made no sense for me you know and the guys say no yeah I can spend and I wanna enjoy this night and he was giving me the bottle of sambuca I got drunk like yeah especially like when they where they are in a pub they talk with about everything with you and they’re like the first one who comes to your hair talking you know they are really really sociable people and they are really nice and then I remember the day but the day after I wanted to to hang out again with this guy because it was like the first the first guy that I met actually and then she replied no I’m sorry I can’t today and then the day after no I’m sorry and then it just I understood okay this is this was just for the night yeah and so I was like feeling kinda sad because I don’t know it’s not it was not real but I was hoping a little bit it was I think I just wanted to start to help some friends in that aspect so what will you recommend to the people who are thinking about life so maybe they are thinking that some email be the same that being at home or and some other will be thinking now it’s going to be completely different if that being at home so if you are going back in time I live Andre in two years ago and you’re thinking about going abroad what advice would you be given to you worked so much depends if you are going abroad I remember when I when I went to Amsterdam for the Erasmus I knew that it was for a short period because I knew when it started and when it would end it so there I had like my mentality was like okay it’s gonna it’s gonna last for seven months and it’s done yeah and so my my my second method set my mentor said was different here it was like how it’s gonna be like I’m gonna live here maybe I don’t know for how long you know you don’t you don’t see the end so it was kind of different and I if I could like come back go back I would I would change a little bit and I would not expect to be like at home I would completely force myself to not being said in the first maybe when you are alone in the first period because it’s totally normal and when you are totally alone you you also start to to learn how to be totally alone and does not miss anyone else because you can you you can enjoy in any case that time and you will find friends in any case for sure that is always someone else who is like like you who likes your basic things you will find friends for sure especially in the in this country I feel like where there are a lot of people that comes from abroad and if the city is full of these people yeah all of them needs friends and I feel that here I I see that a lot of people are really willing to talk with the other even randomly like if you met I’m like on the street on a pub all of them wants to know other people and its really really really easy to do that I have to say that is also easy to lose friends here because they know that maybe it doesn’t last yep because some of them are here for one year some of them for two years maybe some of them are like I’ve been here for I don’t know for forever exciting year yeah then it’s just you’re maybe your first year here and then you you want to know more people or to have like more strong relationship with others but they’re maybe they are just tired of this experience they want to come back to you to their country for example so it depends when you met the other people it’s not just because you are new here also the others are the same so it it can be that you you also it’s really easy to make friends but it’s also really easy to lose them so if you want to like a very very strong connection then you you will find that those kind of connection and well knowing now how’s the world how the IT industry huh knowing that Dublin has a lot of big companies so you can come for a company and then you can switch another company or you can even progress your career in the inside the same company so I think the professional growth that you will get because of the quality of the companies here would be nice it would be great there are people from different backgrounds so that kind of will take care about your career you might have good companies but companies about the experience what would you say in the sense of living abroad being a professional abroad and knowing that you have your job will be the main difference between Italian culture and Irish culture I would say that in Italy I think that most companies most IT companies from what I can see and what I could see in the past and also what the my friends was telling me I say that the I software engineer is considered as a person that is not producing that much value and they try to pay you less than then what you should be paid I think that in order to be a software engineer you have to work hard and to know a lot of things have to have a lot of knowledge very strong mathematical background you have you have to have like a logical mind you know and the thing is not it’s not something that is not a profession that you can easily take without any effort you know and so I think that that should be rewarded in Italy it’s not worth it in my opinion here if you want if you wanna make money for example it’s not it’s not easy to make money anywhere in the world they think that if you put the effort in the right direction in your life you should be rewarded you should you should like your your your effort should be rewarded because if you produce the value for a company then the company should pay you back it should be a it’s not like this so you see in that reward here oh yeah totally totally I see that in the the money that I’m making in every time that I receive a promotion after after one year let them hear I’m pretty sure that if I continue like putting a lot of effort in it I can’t have another promotion in I don’t know maybe I don’t know when but in that time I in a time they are not like okay I give you this one and then shut up you are yeah for life for ten years they’re not gonna give you anything no here I really feel that if I’m gonna reach the goals that I set for me and I’m gonna be at that level they are gonna they’re gonna give me another promotion and not to me not just to me but to everyone as that like is pushing hard and this label the value for the company one thing that I can see from like the difference from it and Hadden company in here is that in Italy for example for from my experience is that I had my increase of salaries but I had them first when I had to say I want you to change the company because I won’t I was doing something that was not what I wanted to do and was different from what the from what my boss told me when he joined the company and then for me it was like I can’t continue like that I know and you told me something you know and then I that point they told me ok ok ok I’m gonna give you more money and then we are gonna change you into another position that maybe you would prefer and then Dayton was a really good position for me but you know you shouldn’t work yeah and – and I see that a lot of other colleagues were really really good and they didn’t receive like that much money even like pushing harder and I in here I see that you whenever you do something good you are recognized it’s been noticed and I think that is really good yeah a lot more here in Italy not really you know the objective also that you have are not really clear oh if you–if you reach like this this and this you will obtain this business it is more clear it’s like I don’t know keep working when I’m gonna receive more money when I when I do what when I’m gonna receive like more no benefits benefits so here I think that you can make a career you can get rich no not as a software engineer at least if you wanna make a career you have to shift them to go to more you know traditional kind of have to go to the manager side I don’t want to be a manager I just want to be a technical yes I know yes yeah I don’t want to be a manager and I there are like here you can make your own career just being technical and not valid and because the two things are completely different and in Italy is considered okay after a certain point if you don’t become a manager it means that you you got isn’t I mean you were not good enough as a software engineer here you can grow as much as you want yeah that’s that’s true that’s quite important because that’s a cultural thing that we get even in my country we get it like that and then you when you come here and you see okay I got a technical career growth and then that I can choose that I could be as successful as I could be being a manager yeah in another place so well thank you Ezra and if the people want to get in touch with you there is a male yeah you can copy me on a little male Facebook or what’s maybe in what the male is Andrea a guard Imani at gmail.com all together and travel together so a and D are e a G a are the I M a and Jimmy to come okay well and for getting in touch with me it’s a Leonardo thought Martin at gmail.com please subscribe we are going to have another shows and we’ll keep inviting people to just share their experience about working about thank you Andrew no thanks to you you guys say

“Failure isn’t fatal, but failure to change might be.” —John Wooden

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